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::::Looked, and there is no “Kirpichli” mentioned on p. 59 of this PDF, which is hosted on openstreetmap, a wiki-like website. Instead this document apparently describes the change in name of the village of “Kirpili” to the name “Kerpiçli”. Even assuming that “Kerpichli” is the romanisation of “Kerpiçli”, my confidence in the research that went into this article (which describes Kirpili as a neighbouring village, not as the former name of the village…) is not improved. Looking at the location, there is literally nothing at the co-ordinates given in the article [https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B035’00.0%22N+60%C2%B002’00.0%22E/@41.5787332,60.0333363,6445m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x410193001d4e0602!8m2!3d41.583333!4d60.033333?hl=en but an empty field]. Or at those given in the article for Kirpili that was redirected without discussion to Kirpichli yesterday, which [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kirpili,+Turkmenistan/@39.6156002,57.2111671,3725m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0xc38ac869adecbcd9!2zMznCsDM1JzEyLjAiTiA1N8KwMTMnNDcuMCJF!3b1!8m2!3d39.586667!4d57.229722!3m4!1s0x3f7dc88283a856ef:0xb171ed8a79c2b149!8mn shows open desert in a completely different part of Turkmenistan]. Google maps also gives [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kirpichli,+Turkmenistan/@39.4013499,57.3954608,1211m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0xc38ac869adecbcd9!2zMznCsDM1JzEyLjAiTiA1N8KwMTMnNDcuMCJF!3b1!8m2!3d39.586667!4d57.229722!3m4!1s0x3f7c4f174929071d:0x3e7791dfaa7b26da!8 another location for a Kirpichli in Turkmenistan that is open desert], with no buildings shown at the location.
::::Looked, and there is no “Kirpichli” mentioned on p. 59 of this PDF, which is hosted on openstreetmap, a wiki-like website. Instead this document apparently describes the change in name of the village of “Kirpili” to the name “Kerpiçli”. Even assuming that “Kerpichli” is the romanisation of “Kerpiçli”, my confidence in the research that went into this article (which describes Kirpili as a neighbouring village, not as the former name of the village…) is not improved. Looking at the location, there is literally nothing at the co-ordinates given in the article [https://www.google.com/maps/place/41%C2%B035’00.0%22N+60%C2%B002’00.0%22E/@41.5787332,60.0333363,6445m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x410193001d4e0602!8m2!3d41.583333!4d60.033333?hl=en but an empty field]. Or at those given in the article for Kirpili that was redirected without discussion to Kirpichli yesterday, which [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kirpili,+Turkmenistan/@39.6156002,57.2111671,3725m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0xc38ac869adecbcd9!2zMznCsDM1JzEyLjAiTiA1N8KwMTMnNDcuMCJF!3b1!8m2!3d39.586667!4d57.229722!3m4!1s0x3f7dc88283a856ef:0xb171ed8a79c2b149!8mn shows open desert in a completely different part of Turkmenistan]. Google maps also gives [https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kirpichli,+Turkmenistan/@39.4013499,57.3954608,1211m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m13!1m7!3m6!1s0x0:0xc38ac869adecbcd9!2zMznCsDM1JzEyLjAiTiA1N8KwMTMnNDcuMCJF!3b1!8m2!3d39.586667!4d57.229722!3m4!1s0x3f7c4f174929071d:0x3e7791dfaa7b26da!8 another location for a Kirpichli in Turkmenistan that is open desert], with no buildings shown at the location.
::::And let’s suppose it is possible to confirm this place exists and is legally recognised – what actual article can we write here? Isn’t redirecting to district level and listing it there a much better way of presenting the same data? [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 13:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
::::And let’s suppose it is possible to confirm this place exists and is legally recognised – what actual article can we write here? Isn’t redirecting to district level and listing it there a much better way of presenting the same data? [[User:FOARP|FOARP]] ([[User talk:FOARP|talk]]) 13:40, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
::::* {{u|FOARP}}, the document was [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A1992-2018-TKM_geoname_changes_TK-ocr.pdf uploaded] by [[Alan Mustard]], former ambassador of USA to Turkmenistan and Chair of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. He described it as {{tq|Collection of Turkmenistan government decrees and parliamentary resolutions regarding geographic names, from 1992 to 2018. This collection is not all-inclusive. Documents are in either the Russian or Turkmen languages.}} Do you suspect that a former US diplomat is making up stuff?{{pb}}It is indeed a [[romanization]]. What is your language proficiency in Turkmen? I do not understand from where you are getting the coordinates – I have not added them. I have spent years in Turkmenistan and it might not be [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 14:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
::::* {{u|FOARP}}, the document was [https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=File%3A1992-2018-TKM_geoname_changes_TK-ocr.pdf uploaded] by [[Alan Mustard]], former ambassador of USA to Turkmenistan and Chair of the OpenStreetMap Foundation. He described it as {{tq|Collection of Turkmenistan government decrees and parliamentary resolutions regarding geographic names, from 1992 to 2018. This collection is not all-inclusive. Documents are in either the Russian or Turkmen languages.}} Do you suspect that a former US diplomat is making up stuff?{{pb}}It is indeed a [[romanization]]. What is your language proficiency in Turkmen? “obanyň ozalky ady” translates to “old name of the village” while “obanyň täze ady” trasnlates to “new name of the village.”{{pb}}I do not understand from where you are getting the coordinates – I have not added them. I have spent years in Turkmenistan and it might not be [[User:TrangaBellam|TrangaBellam]] ([[User talk:TrangaBellam|talk]]) 14:20, 6 December 2021 (UTC)