Talk:Our Lady of Fátima

:”Self-annihilation” has a specific meaning in Catholicism. It does not mean physical harm, but spiritual submission to God. Self-annihilation in this context cannot be generalized to mean “contributed to their deaths”. If DeMarchi did not explicitly state the children’s actions may have contributed to their demise, then the statement must be removed. If he did, it must be directly attributed to him. –[[User:Zfish118|Zfish118]]^{⋉[[User_talk:Zfish118|talk]]} 20:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

:”Self-annihilation” has a specific meaning in Catholicism. It does not mean physical harm, but spiritual submission to God. Self-annihilation in this context cannot be generalized to mean “contributed to their deaths”. If DeMarchi did not explicitly state the children’s actions may have contributed to their demise, then the statement must be removed. If he did, it must be directly attributed to him. –[[User:Zfish118|Zfish118]]^{⋉[[User_talk:Zfish118|talk]]} 20:51, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Since the children died, and DeMarchi wrote the book after they died, knowing they died, it CAN be used. He uses the term self-annihilation in the same breath as talking about the dead children’s dehydration practices, how tiny Jacinta was being treated in the hospital while still abstaining from drinking water. You are also changing the rules. You said I could not use the phrase “self-harm” unless DeMarchi himself said it. So I use the phrase “self-annihilation,” because DeMarchi DID say that, and then you say “well, he meant it differently.” You must work for the Catholic Church because you are attempting very hard to block information from the eyes of the people. This is gatekeeping. Since the children died, self-annihilation is the appropriate term, and DeMarchi used that term knowingly, knowing they were dead. [[User:Spyrazzle|Spyrazzle]] ([[User talk:Spyrazzle|talk]]) 21:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Since the children died, and DeMarchi wrote the book after they died, knowing they died, it CAN be used. He uses the term self-annihilation in the same breath as talking about the dead children’s dehydration practices, how tiny Jacinta was being treated in the hospital while still abstaining from drinking water. You are also changing the rules. You said I could not use the phrase “self-harm” unless DeMarchi himself said it. So I use the phrase “self-annihilation,” because DeMarchi DID say that, and then you say “well, he meant it differently.” You must work for the Catholic Church because you are attempting very hard to block information from the eyes of the people. This is gatekeeping. Since the children died, self-annihilation is the appropriate term, and DeMarchi used that term knowingly, knowing they were dead. [[User:Spyrazzle|Spyrazzle]] ([[User talk:Spyrazzle|talk]]) 21:54, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::::::::For the record, my controversy section says the children “MAY have contributed to their own deaths.” It doesn’t say “they contributed to their own deaths period, it says “MAY have” with facts and testimonies to back it up. So if DeMarchi used the phrase SELF-ANNIHILATION when talking about the kids’ refusal to drink water while they were in and out of hospitals, but MAY have meant something else, because the phrase sometimes carries an obscure Catholic connotation, then the world has the same amount of probable cause to assume he meant it literally, since the kids died literally. He did not specifically say in his book “self-annihilations, in the Catholic sense of the word, meaning to give oneself completely to God.” He simply talked about the agony the kids were in before their deaths, and called their brutal sacrifices leading up to their deaths “self-annihilations” without explaining his use of the dictionary word. Which means I am justified to use the official dictionary definition in the controversy section.[[User:Spyrazzle|Spyrazzle]] ([[User talk:Spyrazzle|talk]]) 23:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::::::::For the record, my controversy section says the children “MAY have contributed to their own deaths.”

It doesn’t say “they contributed to their own deaths period, it says “MAY have” with facts and testimonies to back it up. So if DeMarchi used the phrase SELF-ANNIHILATION when talking about the kids’ refusal to drink water while they were in and out of hospitals, but MAY have meant something else, because the phrase sometimes carries an obscure Catholic connotation, then the world has the same amount of probable cause to assume he meant it literally, since the kids died literally. He did not specifically say in his book “self-annihilations, in the Catholic sense of the word, meaning to give oneself completely to God.” He simply talked about the agony the kids were in before their deaths, and called their brutal sacrifices leading up to their deaths “self-annihilations” without explaining his use of the dictionary word. Which means I am justified to use the official dictionary definition in the controversy section.[[User:Spyrazzle|Spyrazzle]] ([[User talk:Spyrazzle|talk]]) 23:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)