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:::First, welcome to Wikipedia. It’s great to see you’ve delved so fully into AfD 45 days after joining us. Second, you keep referencing opinion pieces of which I can only find four among the dozens of references in this article. All of these are clearly used to support a named claim, and not present something in WP’s own voice. [[User:Chetsford|Chetsford]] ([[User talk:Chetsford|talk]]) 23:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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:::First, welcome to Wikipedia. It’s great to see you’ve delved so fully into AfD 45 days after joining us. Second, you keep referencing opinion pieces of which I can only find four among the dozens of references in this article. All of these are clearly used to support a named claim, and not present something in WP’s own voice. [[User:Chetsford|Chetsford]] ([[User talk:Chetsford|talk]]) 23:21, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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::::{{ping|Chetsford}} Can you please describe and show the RS sources that call it discrimination on the grid above. This elaboration would help us to determine how many reliable sources really support the discrimination view. Thank you.–[[User:John the Janitor|John the Janitor]] ([[User talk:John the Janitor|talk]]) 23:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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::::{{ping|Chetsford}} Can you please describe and show the RS sources that call it discrimination on the grid above. This elaboration would help us to determine how many reliable sources really support the discrimination view. Thank you.–[[User:John the Janitor|John the Janitor]] ([[User talk:John the Janitor|talk]]) 23:40, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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:::::No, I won’t do that because your premise that the word “discrimination” must be invoked (rather than synonyms like “bias” or “prejudice”) is faulty, as has been explained to you. [[User:Chetsford|Chetsford]] ([[User talk:Chetsford|talk]]) 23:42, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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*”’Move”’ If the research doesn’t support that discrimination exists, then simply state that in the article. The validity of discrimination and the notability of the topic are different issues. [[User:Orb4peace|Orb4peace]] ([[User talk:Orb4peace|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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*”’Move”’ If the research doesn’t support that discrimination exists, then simply state that in the article. The validity of discrimination and the notability of the topic are different issues. [[User:Orb4peace|Orb4peace]] ([[User talk:Orb4peace|talk]]) 22:44, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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::{{ping|Chetsford}} {{ping|Thincat}} {{ping|Orb4peace}} I believe you’ve missed it but I had revised changed my suggestion to changing the article’s name. Do you you agree on that an article like [[Social stigma against hair color]] would be better and more accurate? Nevertheless, I disagree with your point that {{Talk quote inline|the claim the [[WP:RS]] don’t cite scientific studies – this has never been a requirement of [[WP:N]] and is not accurate in any case}}. Notability does require references to be reliable sources; opinion pieces are not reliable sources for an [[Wikipedia:Exceptional claims|exceptional claim]] like a systematic discrimination against a group of people. Currently, I believe, this article is a red flag, as it implies that the alleged discrimination exist without enough evidence, and not only in content but also in ”name”.–[[User:John the Janitor|John the Janitor]] ([[User talk:John the Janitor|talk]]) 22:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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::{{ping|Chetsford}} {{ping|Thincat}} {{ping|Orb4peace}} I believe you’ve missed it but I had revised changed my suggestion to changing the article’s name. Do you you agree on that an article like [[Social stigma against hair color]] would be better and more accurate? Nevertheless, I disagree with your point that {{Talk quote inline|the claim the [[WP:RS]] don’t cite scientific studies – this has never been a requirement of [[WP:N]] and is not accurate in any case}}. Notability does require references to be reliable sources; opinion pieces are not reliable sources for an [[Wikipedia:Exceptional claims|exceptional claim]] like a systematic discrimination against a group of people. Currently, I believe, this article is a red flag, as it implies that the alleged discrimination exist without enough evidence, and not only in content but also in ”name”.–[[User:John the Janitor|John the Janitor]] ([[User talk:John the Janitor|talk]]) 22:45, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
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